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July 22, 2012 at 7:04 pm #45204

Eric Tapp
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If you have a question or suggestion about how to make these forums work for you please post it here.

July 24, 2012 at 8:47 am #45272
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Mike Vaughn
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I sure would like to hear from my old pals on BGR and this looks like a place for us.

 

July 24, 2012 at 9:59 pm #45379

Eric Tapp
Keymaster

Mike,

We’ve been thinking of recreating the Bluegrass Rules Forum as its own forum here at Bluegrass Today!

Your input would be very valuable and there is no reason now why we can’t get this going immediately.

We have been trying to translate all of the existing content and bring it over as well but that doesn’t look like its going to happen.

Nonetheless, we can get it going here just fine.

What were the most popular forum topics at Bluegrass Rules in the last year that you enjoyed the most?

We’ll be looking for a moderator or two as well for this I’m sure. Volunteers? ;)

Eric

 

July 25, 2012 at 12:03 pm #45389
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Mike Vaughn
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I’d say debates about the big tent, what is and what ain’t bluegrass, who is and who ain’t full of —- and then latest releases, festivals,  Dennis would probably be a help here–Oh IBMA pro’s and cons that was a  lengthy debate.  I enjoyed

all of them.   Sending an email to all of the old members soliciting them to come in here would probably be a great start if you have the email addys.

July 25, 2012 at 5:12 pm #45394
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Ivor Trueman
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Recreating a “Bluegrass Rules” style forum would be great, providing that it doesn’t end up with cobwebs, which it seems to be the fate of most bluegrass forums.

If you have access to the old ‘Rules site/database, that should give you an idea of what was most talked about (was the 50+ page thread on the use of drums? I can’t quite remember).

Agree with Mike, the general discussion about bluegrass used to get the most traffic. Best for me tho’ was discovering bands like Joe Val, Travers Chandler, High Country, Vern & Ray, Open Road &  Lonesome Highway…. not to forget the “Goin Across The Mountains” radio show which is now compulsory listening when I’m at home.

Some of the simplest threads, like a ‘make up your ultimate BG band’ type thread were worth their weight in gold, when amongst various ‘fantasy’ line-ups, someone would chime in with Waller, Adcock, Duffey, Gray….

It was refreshing also to find a place where the ‘big tent’ were on the defensive… and I liked the limited split in forum areas (general bluegrass, classifieds, & a no-holds barred area where anything & everything pretty much went).

Cheers

Ivor (aka Buzzbomb)

PS:  Mike: some of the BGR folk are also on the BGRASS-L email list, where debate still seems to rage – do a web search if interested. Eric: I think I used to get MS SQL Server errors when doing a search on ‘BGR’s , so I’d guess the data is in a reasonably accessible format? Also if you have access to the ‘bluegrassrules’ domain, I think it’d be a good idea to put up a re-direction page to Bluegrass Today?

 

July 25, 2012 at 9:06 pm #45400

Eric Tapp
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Ivor-

We do own the domain and have the data. Unfortunately it is in an odd and rarely used format that hasn’t made its way through 2 translations to this format. We’re still trying.

I think we could easily start the topics again in a BGR Forum right here and let it all start anew. If and when we are able to get the history translated, we’d add that in as an archive.

I’d just like to see the disscussions started again because it certainly was a lively bunch. ;)

 

July 27, 2012 at 7:24 am #45507
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Andy Alexander
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Bluegrass Rules was very poorly moderated.  Anonymous posts that could be considered slander were too common.  This discouraged knowledgable people involved in the bluegrass business from posting.  I would use the forum on Mandolin Cafe as a very well run responsible model to follow.

July 27, 2012 at 2:22 pm #45544
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Yes, the old BGR forum was very poorly moderated and the anonymous and open attacks, cyber bullying and personal attacks were out of hand. It took a strong person to stay around. I miss hearing from many there. It would be great to get a civil forum going here. The Bluegrass-L is nothing left but a very small clutch of those use it to drive away differing opinions. As many others, I’ve posted my last there over a year ago. Hello Ivor, and thanks for listening!!!

July 27, 2012 at 2:43 pm #45545
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Mike Vaughn
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Hello Dennis, and Buzz, good to see you again.  I am not a fan of the Bluegrass-L  because of its clique-ishness (sic?).    I agree with Dennis about making a civil BGR through moderation but  wonder what the effect on debate will be.   It did take a strong person to withstand some of  the rude comments of those unskilled in the art of civil debate–but it made it interesting–I think taking away the anonymity might help to reduce rudeness–most of the regulars at BGR were not anonymous.  I think just restoring a BGR style forum would be a good beginning and then let the users vote on what kind of moderation could be used to keep things civil.  Thanks Eric and Bluegrass Today for your interest in providing this type forum.

July 27, 2012 at 11:32 pm #45580

janice brooks
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Anything I can do for you guys ?

July 29, 2012 at 2:46 pm #45604
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Ivor Trueman
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Janice: “Anything I can do for you guys ?”

 er… could you tell me how far it is to little rock?

(Sorry – could resist)…. Agree with all comments – a more civil / friendly forum would the way to go.  The nature of BGR put off a lot a people from posting, not just the professionals, but I’d hope that it wouldn’t get so polite that nobody would question any  ’elephants’ in the room.

Is the plan to have a ‘proper’ forum, where you can preview/edit posts, send Private Messages,  & see the number of posts alongside our name/picture? Or is this it here already? Just curious, as I’m holding off posting some trivial stuff that I’ve been unable to find answers too (like what happened to Charlie Monroe’s D-45 after Red Allen bought it & sold it to Johnny Cash?) but don’t want to hog the space.

Like Janice, if there is a need for volunteers, I could probably help out if needed.

Cheers

Ivor

July 29, 2012 at 11:17 pm #45660

Eric Tapp
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Andy Alexander: Bluegrass Rules was very poorly moderated.  Anonymous posts that could be considered slander were too common.  This discouraged knowledgable people involved in the bluegrass business from posting.  I would use the forum on Mandolin Cafe as a very well run responsible model to follow.

Andy- It was definitely poorly moderated as are many bulletin boards. Mandolin Cafe is excellent.

I think our goal here is to be “In addition to” these other, seemingly few but excellent resources.

Dennis Jones: Yes, the old BGR forum was very poorly moderated and the anonymous and open attacks, cyber bullying and personal attacks were out of hand. It took a strong person to stay around. I miss hearing from many there. It would be great to get a civil forum going here. The Bluegrass-L is nothing left but a very small clutch of those use it to drive away differing opinions. As many others, I’ve posted my last there over a year ago. Hello Ivor, and thanks for listening!!!

Dennis- We will not be able to tolerate any of the rudeness, personal attacks, any form of cyber bullying. This is will not be the place for any of that. That being said, I’m all for a pretty lively discussion everynow and then among friends. ;)

What we really are trying to do is bring a sense of community to this. Especially where new folks can learn about the music called bluegrass.

So many of the online boards and forums really are cliquish and closed. It takes a lot of work to maintain these and we’re pretty close to getting this right. We’ve been working on this for a year now and its just starting to work well enough where we can put it out there as it is.

We’ve a few bugs here and there. Some of the interface needs to be cleaned up as well but its close and we’ll finish it up during August.

 

All of your input is invaluable.

 

July 29, 2012 at 11:27 pm #45662

Eric Tapp
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Janice Brooks: Anything I can do for you guys ?

Keep watching. Yes indeed. We’ll need all the help we can get.

July 29, 2012 at 11:36 pm #45663

Eric Tapp
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Ivor Trueman: 

(Sorry – could resist)…. Agree with all comments – a more civil / friendly forum would the way to go.  The nature of BGR put off a lot a people from posting, not just the professionals, but I’d hope that it wouldn’t get so polite that nobody would question any  ’elephants’ in the room.

This will be a place for everyone. Open to read without restriction. Pros, amateurs, and the occasional curiosity seeker.

Is the plan to have a ‘proper’ forum, where you can preview/edit posts, send Private Messages,  & see the number of posts alongside our name/picture? Or is this it here already? Just curious, as I’m holding off posting some trivial stuff that I’ve been unable to find answers too (like what happened to Charlie Monroe’s D-45 after Red Allen bought it & sold it to Johnny Cash?) but don’t want to hog the space.

Yes. Much of that is in place now. You should be able to create a topic under a Main Forum area now. The private message is now in place also but from your profile page. I’ll bring the buttons down into the discussion areas in August. We started out with the private messaging and learned of a serious security issue within the software and turned the feature off. It is fixed and we turned it back on.

Post away with anything you’d like. Throughout the next couple of weeks I’ll be adding the recent posts out to the main page of the site.

Like Janice, if there is a need for volunteers, I could probably help out if needed.

We’ll definitely want you to help.

July 29, 2012 at 11:57 pm #45664

Eric Tapp
Keymaster

I want to thank all of you for your input thus far. All of this is doable. We’ve got the hard part out of the way.

One interesting way we’ve approached this and made this very different from many of the boards out there is our Users Groups. This is structured much differently than forums / boards that have groups. This is entirely separate but linked together with 2 way communication between them.

Each Users Group could have a private discussion forum area and a public one. The topics roll in under the forum with the replies under topics of course.

Then we have the Public Discussion Forums which will include the public discussions from the groups.

Example 1:  A regional bluegrass association could easily have their own group with a private forum where its members discuss things related to their group. They could have a public forum for open discussion with the public as well. Both forums would be listed under the group for members and the public area would appear here.

We can easily provide software tools to the Association’s webmaster to put all the latest public or private topics and replies right onto their own website for their members.

Example 2: A Broadcast Professionals Group. Same thing private discussion area where industry professionals and interested individuals can easily discuss important topics to them. Whether they radio, satellite, or internet broadcasters, this group would have a lot to discuss from legal issues to the weather. A public forum would be a great place for bands or the general public to ask questions, get advice, make suggestions.

The advantage of the private group is that they aren’t subject to the reckless drive by comments from outside the forum.

If any of you have suggestions for a group you’d like to participate in, I’m all ears.

I think we’ll see a wide variety of educational groups like Songwriters, Home Recording Technology, Instrument Specific, and so on. Then I’m sure there will be much lighter groups- Probably a Chris Jones Mutual Appreciation Society is lurking around somewhere. ;)

There shouldn’t be a limit to the groups of folks that get together on a regular basis.

Nor should there be limits on the discussion areas either other than basic courtesy and civil behavior. That doesn’t mean that it can’t get heated up, but the needless attacks and insults certainly can go to other places on the internet.

Eric

 

 

 

 

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